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Old 08-20-2006, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tiger Woods (Reality Check)

First off don't get me wrong, I like Tiger, or at least I did up until his numbers raised way up above human levels, and that happened, say ten years ago or so!
I am a huge golf fan and I like to induldge in the occassional game or two as well, though I am not pro, I know a few great amateur players well. I believe it is impossible to score numbers like Tiger Woods in a game like golf, let us face it, no matter how good you get you have to admit there is a fair bit of luck involved in this great game, ask the pro's and I am sure they will tell you the same! Tiger alway's seems to be in the top ten but more often than not you can find him up in the top three, is there something wrong here?
Tiger was and is still great for golf ,his superhuman abilities have surpassed any pro athletes ever! With all this in mind I would like to state my point, and that is to start testing for performance enhancing drugs in professional golf, I am sure fan's of baseball would have shook their head's in disbelief if I was to mention this topic prior to discovering that Mark Mcguire and Sammi Sosa were indeed doping or how about Floyd Landis?
It's almost the year 2007, and golf needs drug testing, start with Tiger, because I just find it much too hard to believe!

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Old 08-20-2006, 07:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No offense, but that's a crock. It happens every so often when an athlete transends all other competition. Guys like Sosa, McGwire, and Landis did not do this. They had good runs for a short amount of time. Tiger has pretty well dominated since going pro.

There are a few other examples of athletes like Tiger in other sports. Wayne Gretzky for one...he has more assists than any one else has scored total points in NHL history. Do you think he doped to do it?

Michael Jordan dominated all opponents. Won 3 championships, retired and came back and won three more. Do you think he doped?

I think people are too quick to judge athletes that flirt with being the best ever. That and Tiger does not show any of the traditional signs of doping like other guilty people do.

Bear in mind, I like Tiger, yes I am a fan...but I'm not defending him just because of that...I just don't think he is using any performance enhancers...
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oh man I would've never thought Id hear the day where people thought Tiger Woods is a roider! Dude listen I understand why you are saying this but come on man. Should we test Nickalus also? How about Palmer? So Tiger hits 300+ drives he IS NOT the longest on tour. His GIR % is what keeps him in the Top 10,5,3,winners circle. If you could control irons the way he does you would be in the PGA also.

Also, Please lets drop the technology enhancements because the length of the courses have been proportional to the technological advancements. If you put Nicklaus on a 322 Par 4 with todays equipment of course he could birdie easily. Put Nicklaus on a 445 par 4 and he will do the same.
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Old 08-21-2006, 02:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Personally, although it may somewhat hurt the integrity of the game, i believe all pro sports should require drug testing... Why u may ask??? With the growing number of young spectators in golf and other sports, i think it would be a great example of what can be achieved by with hard work and determination.

An example that if you use drugs, you can never be where these players are. One step further toward pro athletes being true role models, and i believe Tiger is one of these pure examples.
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Test Tiger!!!

Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan played team sports, golf is different.
Maybe Wayne and Mike were doping, but we will never know because they retired.
I saw an article today on MSN regarding Tigers victory yesterday, the author said he would break records like Mark Mcgwire and Barry Bonds, only he would do it asterix free, I am asuming he meant drug free, only Tiger has never been tested, so how do we know for sure???
Tiger makes great pros like Nicklaus, Mickleson, goosen and Weir etc..., look amateur!
I am assuming Tiger is human, and if he is I am assuming he is playing against pros, and when you look at golf it is normal to see the cream of the crop, Mickleson and so on outside of the top ten, that is golf, always has been period, up until Tiger.
So if it is not dope giving Tiger the edge then what is it?
I see that all the pros have swings that measure up to Tigers, yet Tigers have the edge, why?
Nicklaus played at a time where there were fewer golfers competing, lesser equipment caliber, easier courses etc...and still his numbers do not match Tigers, not to mention technology might not have reached the stages where a performance enhancing drug could have been used in a game like golf, but now in the year 2007, the sky is the limit!
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First let me say I'm a big Tiger fan and don't believe he's guilty of doping. However I wouldn't be opposed to testing him either. Let's face it in today competitive sports it's rare to have someone dominate as much as Tiger has on a global basis. And those occassions where they have had athletes dominate and later tested - dope is often discovered. If innocent I'm certain Tiger wouldn't mind. But test them all that way it's fair.
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Like someone said earlier Tiger is a master at controlling his iron shots. What good would drugs do him there? The only thing athletes gain by doping is added strength and the abilty to recover faster from injuries...not exactly something a pro golfer would look to gain.

Tiger isn't the longest drive in the PGA either...maybe we should test Bubba Watson first...

Here are the PGA stats...does it look like he is that much further ahead than everyone else? Tiger is just an excellent ball striker, and the most clutch performer...nothing aided by drugs

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Old 08-21-2006, 08:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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are you high? do you think using dope will help someone make puts like he did? Golf is about making putts and hitting quality shots. Driving the ball 300+ yards and failing to make a 4 footer don't win you championships. Just ask Sergio and John Daly

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Old 08-21-2006, 11:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Doping doesn't make you sink almost every putt you look at, pitch/chip to within inches of the hole, or let you control your irons the way Tiger does. He wins because he has a genuine talent, excellent course managment, and his father was a very good teacher.
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Exactly!

IMO, Athletes that need drug testing are the ones that are able to use the "drug effects" to their advantage. Have you ever taken peformance enhancing drugs?....there's no way a golfer would dope up to hit a 350 yrd drive and then be able to have the mental focus and body/muscle control to hit a controlled 60 wedge shot let alone sink a 12' left to right downhill breaker.

The effects of performance enhancing drugs would conflict with the mental focus and rhythmic body control needed for the game of Golf.


Now with that said, if you want to test them then test them but I think the only drugs you'll find will be mostly alcohol, some pot, and a lot of over-the-counter meds.

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