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Old 04-16-2007, 10:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Clubhead Speeds

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While reading an article online I happened upon these interesting stats regarding Pro clubhead speeds. The article offered examples of average driver clubhead speeds for some popular Pros and I was surprised at the numbers.

Vijay Singh: 113 m.p.h.
Robert Allenby: 112 m.p.h.
Phil Mickelson: 120 m.p.h.
Ernie Els: 118 m.p.h.


No issue here. I just thought it was interesting.


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Old 04-16-2007, 11:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks, JP, that is shocking! Vijay has an average of only 118?? WOW!! I would've thought that number was much higher. Did it say what Tigers' average was?
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yeah theyre lower than you'd think i saw an article last year that said camillo villeagas averaged 115 and bubba watson was around 118
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Then how is it possible that these guys are reaching 320 yards?? It takes about 115 to reach 300, and I figure about 120 will reach 320...and I see Vijay go that far all the time..strange...?
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how does one go about measuring their clubhead speed?
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Then how is it possible that these guys are reaching 320 yards?? It takes about 115 to reach 300, and I figure about 120 will reach 320...and I see Vijay go that far all the time..strange...?
Average is just that, average. Take a measurement of their FASTEST clubhead speed and you will see much larger numbers. If you told me your average score was 80 and then told me you shot 72 today, I wouldn't say "How did you do that, you said your average score was 80".

I have hit many 320yd drives while my swing is not that fast. Downhill, downwind, very tight cut fairways that put most public course greens to shame. Go play at a course that is set up for a PGA event, they get those fairways mowed so low anyone can get 40yds of roll after a drive.

Clubhead speed isn't the only factor that will determine how far your ball will go.


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how does one go about measuring their clubhead speed?
Radar.
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https://www.beltronics.com/cp/cgi-bi...ref=swing_mate
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They have different launch angles that produce different spin rates, different amounts of carry, etc. If you notice, Tiger's drives hardly ever roll more than 10 yards, while Vijays and Ernie's roll 30 at least. I know Vijay uses a driver with less loft than some putters. I read once it was 6 degress. How, I don't know... It's all about ball spin dynamics.
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how does one go about measuring their clubhead speed?

There are a number of different units out there to measure clubhead speed from the very expensive and sophisticated to portable models that anyone can afford. They aren't all calibrated the same and WILL GIVE DIFFERENT readouts. The speeds here look fairly low and I've seen entirely different speeds elsewhere for the pros that are normally in the 120's, and for guys like Tiger, Daly, and a few others they are in the low 130's.

Here are two portable units that I think EVERY serious golfer should own.

Sport Sensors Swing Speed Radar Golf Swing, Baseball bat / Softball bats w/ FREE UPS

Golf Instruction: Golf Aids: Golf Swing Trainer: Speed Meter

I've been using the Bel-Tronics unit for well over a decade to fit shafts for all levels of players and work with long drive guys on the LDA. There are a number of factors that determine total distance such as launch angle, spin, and trajectory...but the bottom line and most important is CLUB HEAD SPEED and BALL SPEED. Ball speed is a direct product of CLUB HEAD SPEED. It's normally calculated that each MPH is equal to 2.31 yards. Therefore if you're swinging at 100 mph you're looking at 231 yeards of carry. (assuming the right loft on the club for spin, launch, etc. to match your swing)

If you were to work on increasing your club head speed to 110 mph through better fit equipment, swing changes, or learning how to speed up your arms and body through strength training and speed drills, you'd pick up 23 yards.

The Bel-Tronic unit is quite accurate. The HIGHEST I've ever personally seen measured on the unit is 157 mph by a guy I was working with regularly that made it into the finals of the RE/MAX World Championships. He was at his peak at the time. Normally he was anywhere between 138-148 miles an hour with a 48" club and either a 4 or 5 degree loft driver. One time we were playing on a course together and he hit the green ON A FLY of a 400 yard hole and it was INTO a 10-12 mph wind! He hit it 415 in the quarterfinals of the RE/MAX.

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Average is just that, average. Take a measurement of their FASTEST clubhead speed and you will see much larger numbers. If you told me your average score was 80 and then told me you shot 72 today, I wouldn't say "How did you do that, you said your average score was 80".

I have hit many 320yd drives while my swing is not that fast. Downhill, downwind, very tight cut fairways that put most public course greens to shame. Go play at a course that is set up for a PGA event, they get those fairways mowed so low anyone can get 40yds of roll after a drive.

Clubhead speed isn't the only factor that will determine how far your ball will go.




Radar.
Or something like this:
https://www.beltronics.com/cp/cgi-bi...ref=swing_mate

I know all that..but they play on courses that have holes 600 yards or more..why are they holding back? Maybe thats just the "go for it" attitude of mine..but if I had that far to carry, I would put myself out there as far as humanly possible. If Vijays balls roll 30 yards, than I guess that explains it..My balls roll about 20 yards, but I use a 9* driver so, that normal for me. If he's using a lower lofted driver, than that would explain the distance.
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I know all that..but they play on courses that have holes 600 yards or more..why are they holding back? Maybe thats just the "go for it" attitude of mine..but if I had that far to carry, I would put myself out there as far as humanly possible. If Vijays balls roll 30 yards, than I guess that explains it..My balls roll about 20 yards, but I use a 9* driver so, that normal for me. If he's using a lower lofted driver, than that would explain the distance.
Vijay was using a 10.5 loft driver last year and right now is using a 9.5 degree driver. Go to: TheGolfChannel.com - Golf's Home Page Go to the Equipment section at the top of the page and click onto "What's in the Bag". Go to Vijay Singh and look at his clubs for his latest win.

Distance IS a combination of carry and roll. You have to find what is optimum for YOU. To get maximum carry for your distance you'll give up roll. If you get a lower lofted club it'll produce more roll and less carry. Then you have to take the softness and hardness of the fairways into consideration.
Soft fairways = more carry desired. Rock hard fairways = less carry more roll desired.
To low a loft on soft fairways will shorten your total distance.

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