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Old 12-02-2007, 05:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Slow Play....

How big of a problem is it for the game? Have you experienced it? How can we as golfers fix the issue "if" there is one?

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Old 12-02-2007, 10:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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SLOW PLAY You can beat on this issue with a 9 iron all you want and not do a damn bit of good. You and only you and your playing partners can control this issue.
If everyone played "READY GOLF" slow play would not be a big issue. Go to your ball and be ready to hit your shot when it is your turn. Be ready to putt when it is your turn. Don't wait until it is your putt to start walking around lining it up. Survey the green while others are doing it and be ready to go when it is your turn.

Do carts speed up play? Maybe, if no one is ahead of you and you are decent players. Otherwise IMO, no they do not speed up play. Far too many times you see two guys in a cart going back and forth to their balls. Waste of time.

Another issue that causes slow play. People playing the wrong tee blocks. Let's face reality here folks, if you are not a single digit then do not step up on the TIPS. Simply because you paid to play the course does require you to play from the back tees. Play the tees that you are capable of playing with your handicap. Besides, how much fun can it be when you are hitting 3-5 woods into Par 4's for your second shots?

That said, slow play is not a big issue at the course I work at and will play 99% of my rounds on next year. It is a private course, members respect each other and try to move along as quickly as possible. It all comes down to RESPECT. These days there does not seem to be much respect from some people for other people on the course.
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Slow play is a problem, and I too don't see any real solution other than doing what I can to educate the casual golfer I play with. If my group is having a problem keeping up, and I see any obvious issues with anyone's play, I will try to find a tactful way to broach the subject. I don't want to incite a fistfight, but in my experience, most players are quite receptive to reasonable suggestions. Other than that, find a course to play at where the rangers actually do the best that they can to keep things moving. My home course rarely has a significant gap between groups, but there are days when the afternoon rounds drag out to 5 hours... all it takes is several foursomes lagging a shot or even a half a shot behind the group ahead, and it adds up fast. Yet there isn't any real culprit for the ranger to identify and focus on.

I work as a starter, and we send groups out at 9 minute intervals. That is plenty of time for a foursome to play their 2nd shots and clear the fairway... the guys I play with generally have played their approaches to the green on the first hole in 5 or 6 minutes from the 1st player hitting his tee shot. The problem is that it only takes one player in a group getting into the weeds... and taking even 2 or 3 minutes to search before abandoning the ball as lost and playing his provisional (or as so many do, dropping a second ball ). If that happens on a couple of holes, the group is already playing catchup... and that's only if they acknowledge the fact that they are behind. Or if there is a ranger to inform them of the fact.

As starter I record the turn times for every foursome that comes through from the 9th green. They pass right in front of my booth, and I know when they started. If a group is too far out of position, I send someone from the golf shop out to inform them, and I call the ranger on the radio to let him know of the problem. He will hang in their area as encouragement until they close the gap, and counsel them further if need be. I know that a lot of guys say that the rangers on their courses don't do their jobs, and I can't speak for them, but the places where I play regularly, all have pace of play policies, and all enforce them as far as reason will allow, but aside from an extreme case, you simply can't just evict a foursome from the course... not a public muni like I work at.

The players just have to accept that during prime time in the high season that the course is going to be crowded, and that means 4 hour rounds will be a rarity. On our 2 9 hole short courses and one 18 hole par 72 course, our facility has recorded 140,000 paid rounds in a single season... and even when we can play in winter, the tee time window is very short between frost off and sundown. Most of that play happens in a 7-8 month period.

So if you play a course which does everything that is politically feasible to maintain pace of play, and the course is still slow, then you pretty much just have to accept it. That means that patience is definitely a virtue on todays golf courses.
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It's a problem occasionally.. but it's just something you have to deal with. Nothing you can really so about it.. What I usually do is either chip balls to the front tees, or take that extra few minutes to think about what I need to do on my next couple shots.. Sometimes I call a friend too, that always passes the time.
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Where i live in aus you can have a round all year round. i know that when the group that i play with first stated playing we were a bit slow but if we had a group catch up to us we'd let them play through which it seems most of the people on my local course do and it seems to work well, because now we're the ones that are catching the newer players. Which actully makes us feel good because it show us how much we have improved.
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Where i live in aus you can have a round all year round. i know that when the group that i play with first stated playing we were a bit slow but if we had a group catch up to us we'd let them play through which it seems most of the people on my local course do and it seems to work well, because now we're the ones that are catching the newer players. Which actully makes us feel good because it show us how much we have improved.
Good point Surtees and it's actually the one I planned to bring up next in this thread, which is "the reasons" for slow play, is it lack of etiquette/respect or perhaps lack of ability. It's a no brainer that it takes longer to shoot a 95-110 than it does a 62-72 score. If lack of ability is the reason, is this excusable....to a degree I think it is and I definitely afford more patience to this type of player than the former.
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Good point Surtees and it's actually the one I planned to bring up next in this thread, which is "the reasons" for slow play, is it lack of etiquette/respect or perhaps lack of ability. It's a no brainer that it takes longer to shoot a 95-110 than it does a 62-72 score. If lack of ability is the reason, is this excusable....to a degree I think it is and I definitely afford more patience to this type of player than the former.

You are wrong when you say it takes longer to shoot 95 than it does to shot in the low 70's. I play with a guy who shoots 95 on a Par 70 course. My buddy and I can shoot 73-75 and the guy shooting 95 is no slower than us. He hits his drives and shots and doesn't dink around.

Lack of etiquette from new golfers is part of the problem. Then you have the experienced shooters who think they are on tour. Lining up putts from 10 different angles, taking far too long to hit a shot from the fairway. I have watched clowns lay down on greens to read putts (Long before The Spider Man hit the tour) and then stand up and 4 putt from 8 feet.

4 hours for a round, no more than that. I have played with 3 guys at the course I work at. 6700 yards and we go around in less than 4 hours.

It's all about attitude. What it boils down to is this, and I know after playing the game for 25 years. Some people think it is their god given right to take forever to play a round of golf. They feel they paid big bucks and they are going to damn well take their time. Hey I could care less if you take 5 hours buddy, but let my group go through.

Stop watching the Pro take so long to play a round. They are playing for millions of dollars, we are not.

Slow play starts with YOU. Make sure you are not part of the problem yourself.
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Generally speaking I would say that I am not incorrect when stating that it chronologically takes longer to hit more shots than fewer shots, I am not saying that every high handicapper takes longer to play a round than the average mid or low handicapper, but generally this is true. Your example is not representative of the entire golfing community and is simply an anecdotal experience. It is true that etiquette plays a huge role, there is no denying that....the question I am posing is how large a role it plays and what we can do to encourage people with a POSITIVE attitude, speaking of positive attitude you will have a PM sent to you shortly.

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I think I will be a very slow player. Could people not just go to the next hole and play the hole they're waiting for at the end? Or is it too long of a walk?
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I think I will be a very slow player. Could people not just go to the next hole and play the hole they're waiting for at the end? Or is it too long of a walk?
No it would be best for you to let them play through you, inconvenience yourself not them.
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