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Old 12-08-2011, 11:45 AM   #721 (permalink)
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Good Post! The rules are a bit confusing at times
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:49 PM   #722 (permalink)
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:19 PM   #723 (permalink)
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Never have seen this happen, just had to ask

Can you believe it? there is snow on the ground, so I'm watching recaps of the Masters and the thought of what is considered slow play and is there a penalty? I'm only aware of the 5 minute rule for a lost ball.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:57 PM   #724 (permalink)
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Can you believe it? there is snow on the ground, so I'm watching recaps of the Masters and the thought of what is considered slow play and is there a penalty? I'm only aware of the 5 minute rule for a lost ball.
Hmmm, I never saw this post - must have been lost in the spam. Anyway, better late than never.

There really can only be a penalty associated with slow play if your association has a policy in place which is enforced in competitions. See Rule 6-7 for more information.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:12 PM   #725 (permalink)
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New rules question since this thread has been nearly on life support for 10 months.

Scenario:

You are playing a 520 yard par 5 hole. There is a 220 yard long lateral water hazard left of the fairway starting at the tee, and the fairway cuts left around the end of the hazard. Also there is a group of 40-50 foot tall trees at the end of the hazard so a carry must be more like 260 yards with a high trajectory to clear. The hazard extends left to the course boundary and the boundary is marked by a chain link fence with about 15 feet of dry land between the fence and the water, but that strip of land is still part of the hazard.

You attempt to hit your tee shot with a draw to carry the hazard and set up a reachable approach shot, but instead hit a bit of of a duck hook. The ball crosses into the hazard about 100 yards from the tee, but carries across the water and you see and hear the ball hit the chain link fence, but no one sees the where the ball deflects to. When you get the the area where the ball hit the fence, you don't see it on the ground. The area out of bounds is grown in weeds and grass, and nothing is visible there either. There is no way the that ball could have defected far enough to get out of the hazard unless it went through the fence and lies out of bounds, but there are also tall weeds on the hazard side of the fence, so the ball could easily be lost there.

Question - what is your procedure at this point?
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I am going to guess procede as a lost ball, go back and re-tee
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oh and maybe weaken your grip a bit
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if I understand the scenario: I'd proceed under 20-5, 26-2b and 27-1b&c

The player moved forward, so a provisional wasn't declared. since the area is part of the water hazard and the ball wasn't found under the 5 minute rule. the player would then drop at the nearest point where the ball crossed the hazard With a one stroke penalty.
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if I understand the scenario: I'd proceed under 20-5, 26-2b and 27-1b&c

The player moved forward, so a provisional wasn't declared. since the area is part of the water hazard and the ball wasn't found under the 5 minute rule. the player would then drop at the nearest point where the ball crossed the hazard With a one stroke penalty.
Ah, but the ball struck the boundary fence. Can you just make the assumption that it deflected back into the hazard rather than passing through the fence and landing out of bounds?
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Ah, but the ball struck the boundary fence. Can you just make the assumption that it deflected back into the hazard rather than passing through the fence and landing out of bounds?

I think I see your point: Since the player is not sure where the ball is and its not mentioned that the area is ESA or the fence is TIO. then the player would return to where the last stroke was made under 27-1 referenced under 26-1.
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