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Old 06-03-2007, 01:31 PM   #51 (permalink)
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It wasn't a joke. You probably use a big titanium driver and a golf ball that isn't made out of feathers. All I'm saying is technology has came a long way since the first days of golf. No sense in completely bashing America just because our grass is shorter and our bunkers are white. Everybody has to play the same course...doesn't matter if it's in Scotland or America, the best players will still stand out.
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:44 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Doug, the issue myself and seemingly others have with you is you are based your knowledge on what you perceive on TV and not reality. In America we have a huge variety of courses all based on the land they are built. Some courses like Bethpage Black in NY are built on hilly land with many greens perched on top of these hills. A course like this has its own strategies. Others, like Pine Valley in southern NJ are built on a sand base with surrounding trees and these dictate the strategy. Both require strategically place tee shots to give the best angles into their greens, much like at the best links courses. To think that links courses are the only "proper" courses in the world is close minded.

By the way, your limited perceptions, based on what you choose to believe while watching the PGA on TV is pretty biased. Many of these courses play tougher depending on the weather. Also, I have attended many professional tournaments and I have never seen the grass dyed to make it more green. Lastly, under benign conditions in 2000 at St. Andrews, Tiger Woods shot 19 under par, making your vaunted course look like a pitch and putt. Yes it's possibly the greatest course in the world but in the middle of the summer it can be a pussycat. Thanks, Mike.
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:51 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Funny guy, If you cant take the fact that scotland has proper courses and america doesn't then tough cause its true, Not everyone loves America as some americans think

hey doug u sound like a terrorist now y dont u go hold hands with all the liberals.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:11 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Old 06-03-2007, 11:48 PM   #55 (permalink)
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getting back on topic...best course I've played at is probably the Golden Bear in Hilton Head Island. Absolutely love it...

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Old 06-07-2007, 01:00 AM   #56 (permalink)
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lol umm golf in america is pretty big ...most courses aren't prepared to be tough for the avgerage golfer...they keep the rough short so the fun golfer thats out there to have fun enjoys it ...cuz not everyone wants a challenge although any good golfer will tell you he rather shoot 100 at pebble beach or st andrews that challenged him then shoot 59 at some easy course that didn't...and don't tell us that courses over there aren't like ours cuz i have seen ones just like ours...Although i do agree with you to a certain extent your conditions are tougher. You have more wind /weather increments but that is also subject to change in the usa ask any texan golfer. They sure can play in the wind.


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13 out of the last 24 (over 50%) british opens are from the USA ...sounds like those hard courses don't help you prep for the british open on those HARD courses. Maybe they should practice more in the USA lol. Like ponda said best golfers still win. Golf is just a more of an enjoyable game in the usa so alot of older ppl play alot and leisure golfers (not very serious) so courses were designed to let them play. instead of them hacking it up on the nice courses even though rich ppl still do that(but if you pay for it no one is gonna stop you). I mean wats the fun for an 80 yr old trying to hit out of 5 inch rough ..he'll break his hips trying to get it out.. But i won't take this rant by you to serious, I think you just had a bad round at your course today. Keep playing you'll get better : ) ....

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Old 06-18-2007, 10:20 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Wynd Gate East... Its really nice

It was a practice course for the pros before the ryder cup one year.
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:05 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I was able to get invited onto Baltisrol in May. Played the Lower course, which is the course the PGA Championship was held on a couple years ago when Mickelson won it. What a place!! Wow, do I wish I had the bucks to own a membership there (I'm not even close... damn!)!! The course was stunning and tough... a 139 slope! Whew! I shot 95 and was thrilled.

We played the white tees except for the 17th, where the host of my round said we just HAD to hit from the black tees because it was fun to play a 650 yd par 5!! LOL... Well, I took a 7 because it took me 5 to get on the green. Those greens were hard enough to get on in regulation... but that extra yardage was crazy!!
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You are very lucky to play a course like that... if you shot a 95 there whats your average.
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I have a 14 index and regularly shoot in the mid 80s to low 90s, depending on the course and me!
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