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Old 08-14-2007, 06:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If a slower tempo worked, you were probably not allowing the club head to catch up to your hands at impact, thus having the club face slightly open, which, of course puts sidespin on the ball. This is a surprisingly common error among slicers of the golf ball.

Fixing a slice or a hook isn't difficult if one understands the simple cause-effect essentials of the golf swing.

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So let me just make sure I understand your advice. You want them to slow down to let the cluhead catch up?
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Old 08-14-2007, 08:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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how is impact minor when your backswing and followthrough is geared toward hitting the ball good..impact hits the ball not backswing or your followthrough, don't you agree on the fact that impact hits the ball?
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i'd gladly take tigers swing and your so called errors he has..over any perfect swing you are willing to teach
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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how is impact minor when your backswing and followthrough is geared toward hitting the ball good..impact hits the ball not backswing or your followthrough, don't you agree on the fact that impact hits the ball?
When you drink a glass of water, do you concern yourself with the molecules interaction with your digestive system.... or do you worry more about getting a glass, pouring water into it, then lifting it to your mouth and drinking?

To try and influence impact is folly. Create a MOTION that includes impact, and you don't have to worry what exactly happens in that moment.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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i'd gladly take tigers swing and your so called errors he has..over any perfect swing you are willing to teach
Maybe you will, but Tiger is looking to improve for a reason... so he'd just beat you even if you had his current swing.
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awsome!! that did help alot
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So let me just make sure I understand your advice. You want them to slow down to let the cluhead catch up?
Exactly. Many slicers of the golf ball rush their tempo, which can cause many things to go wrong - not the same things for every golfer. One of the things that can go wrong when tempo is too quick is that the hands arrive for impact a fraction too far ahead. This means that the club head completes its release and gets square a fraction *past* impact. So at impact the club face is slightly open. With a driver, this is sufficient to make a slice.

There are several simple cures for this. One is to try a slower swing tempo. The club head will likely still generate the same speed as the wrists release, but the face may be more square at impact. Another swing thought that can accomplish the same thing is to keep the hands behind the ball at impact. A third that often works is to consciously make the wrist release a fraction earlier than normal.

All these can serve to allow the club head to catch up with the hands at impact and thereby square the club face. My books clearly lay this out and more.

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One of the things that can go wrong when tempo is too quick is that the hands arrive for impact a fraction too far ahead.
You mean like this guy?



Sorry but it's not whether or not your hands are ahead that cause a slice, it's how far rotated clockwise your forearms are.
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Sorry but it's not whether or not your hands are ahead that cause a slice, it's how far rotated clockwise your forearms are.
Any competent golf instructor would know that hitting an iron is different than hitting a long stick. In fact, many poor golfer's problems may be because they are trying to use the same hands-first swing that they use with their short irons to hit longer clubs as well. OF COURSE it IS how far rotated are the forearms - and thereby the club head - at impact. Duh. However, it is about cause and effect. Rather than focusing on such a silly red herring as the finish of a golf swing to cure a slice, how about the aspects that actually precede and thereby determine the outcome.

I repeat that the final nail in the coffin of many a golfer's slice (not all by any means, however) is getting their hands slower to the ball, which allows the club head to catch up (and therefore rotates the club head sufficiently closed - for the more remedial readers in the forum). (And no, I'm not saying this is the cause of every golfer's slice, just some.)

I never cease to be amazed at how the golf establishment doesn't do more to help bad golfers end their confusion - and how confused so many teachers are about how simple it is to fix unwanted curvature of the golf ball. I became an expert in this subject because, a long time ago, a lesson with the pro at my local golf center didn't touch my slice - even though I went there specifically with the request of fixing my slice. So I learned, studied, and analyzed sufficiently that I am now my own golf guru - and many others' as well. That old incident with the pro, and many similar stories from other golfers, convinced me that many teaching pros are well schooled at teaching a golf swing by position or a series of positions, but many are actually clueless about the real fundamentals of a well-struck golfball. (But most don't put their limitations on display in a web forum.

I must admit becoming tired of explaining what should be obvious to a golf teacher or anyone who has applied strong analytical skills to the golf swing. To address any more silly, argumentative objections, you should read my books. If you do so with an open mind, you'll learn something.

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*head in hands*

What's really amazing is how much people are willing to brush away evidence that doesn't suit their argument.
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