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King · 10-18-2007, 04:11 PM

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Ever since i took a golf class in college, like 3-4 years ago, there was this putter there. it looked just like the Lopaka putter, except this one was wooden, looked like it was home made and for ever i have been trying to find out the design or a name... so i finally did (well i havnt been searching for 4 strait years, but it would linger in the back of my mind).

has anyone ever hit/used one of these?
its suppose to help with ball hop.
input plz.

Thanks

Platinum_Shafts · 10-18-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King

http://www.golfbuzz.com/images/commu...jpg?1189821597

Ever since i took a golf class in college, like 3-4 years ago, there was this putter there. it looked just like the Lopaka putter, except this one was wooden, looked like it was home made and for ever i have been trying to find out the design or a name... so i finally did (well i havnt been searching for 4 strait years, but it would linger in the back of my mind).

has anyone ever hit/used one of these?
its suppose to help with ball hop.
input plz.

Thanks

Whoa. Cool lookin', King, but I don't know that I would trust the contact accuracy of the putter with the ball. I think I understand the concept behind this type of a putter, but I don't know how it would help decrease immediate ball hop. It would seem, if you didn't hit the ball "dead on", everytime, it would just screw up your putt.

xiphos · 10-18-2007, 09:16 PM

What will help with ball hop if getting a putter that has a loft of 4 degrees at impact. You want your ball to hop a tad at the start. The reason your ball stops is that it settels into a depression. You want the ball to hop out of that depression. All the guys on tour have 4 degrees of loft at impact. Check the putter in my signature, the Edel custom. Something like that is what you need.

As for wooden putters. There is a guy locally that makes wooden putters. They are called Bearkat putters I think.

Platinum_Shafts · 10-19-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xiphos

What will help with ball hop if getting a putter that has a loft of 4 degrees at impact. You want your ball to hop a tad at the start. The reason your ball stops is that it settels into a depression. You want the ball to hop out of that depression. All the guys on tour have 4 degrees of loft at impact. Check the putter in my signature, the Edel custom. Something like that is what you need.

As for wooden putters. There is a guy locally that makes wooden putters. They are called Bearkat putters I think.

Xiphos,

The way I read it; I think he meant help "preventing ball hop" as opposed to creating it.....I think

I guess he'll have to respond in order to clarify that.

xiphos · 10-19-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinum_Shafts

Xiphos,

The way I read it; I think he meant help "preventing ball hop" as opposed to creating it.....I think

I guess he'll have to respond in order to clarify that.

That is what he was refering to.

What I was saying, is that not face groove or materail ( with one exception) will help the ball stop from hopping. Most putters on the market that "get the ball rolling" faster have 2 degrees of loft.

I brought up wanting the ball to hop a tad, because there is a common misconception out there that you want your ball to have zero skid after impact. The ball must hop a little and un-fortunatally that creates skid. A minor amount of skid is the lesser of the two evils.

More important than face millings, face grooves, material, etc. is a putter that fits you properly. That will keep the ball from hopping excessivly.

Platinum_Shafts · 10-20-2007, 11:16 PM

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More important than face millings, face grooves, material, etc. is a putter that fits you properly. That will keep the ball from hopping excessivly.

I don't know if I agree that that's the most important thing that will keep the ball from hopping at impact, but I do believe it plays a part. Everything else I agree with

xiphos · 10-21-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Platinum_Shafts

I don't know if I agree that that's the most important thing that will keep the ball from hopping at impact, but I do believe it plays a part. Everything else I agree with

What is the most important part? I assure you that if face grooves and such helped; every tour pro would have a putter that has it. Ping and Scotty Cameron have both went on record saying that all of the face grooves and such do not work on the course. Most of the tests using C-Groove and others like it are done on a perfectly flat surface with a five foot putt. Ping has more R&D than most other companies put together and Solheim said something to the tune of: if face grooves and inserts worked we would use them. A podcast that I listened to with Scotty said the same thing. He then said that the magic number is four degrees of loft. All the best putters are using putters with that amount of effective loft.

Platinum_Shafts · 10-22-2007, 04:13 PM

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What is the most important part? I assure you that if face grooves and such helped; every tour pro would have a putter that has it. Ping and Scotty Cameron have both went on record saying that all of the face grooves and such do not work on the course. Most of the tests using C-Groove and others like it are done on a perfectly flat surface with a five foot putt. Ping has more R&D than most other companies put together and Solheim said something to the tune of: if face grooves and inserts worked we would use them. A podcast that I listened to with Scotty said the same thing. He then said that the magic number is four degrees of loft. All the best putters are using putters with that amount of effective loft.

That's because both companies have a reputation with not wanting to "Jump on the Band Wagon" so to speak. (especially Ping). Up Grooves are patented by I beleive 2-3 different companies (Yes being one of them with a C-Groove). Ping and Scotty Cameron (Titliest)would have to spend tons of money licensing the use of a groove like that and they're not gonna do it...it would be ahem 'beneath them'.
Solheim (who I admire very much by the way)can say anything he wants about how he thinks grooves are pointless on a putter face; the fact is that actual physical tests have proved that grooves do allow the ball to roll from impact quicker than a smooth face. It maybe just a little bit, but it's something.

xiphos · 10-22-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinum_Shafts

That's because both companies have a reputation with not wanting to "Jump on the Band Wagon" so to speak. (especially Ping). Up Grooves are patented by I beleive 2-3 different companies (Yes being one of them with a C-Groove). Ping and Scotty Cameron (Titliest)would have to spend tons of money licensing the use of a groove like that and they're not gonna do it...it would be ahem 'beneath them'.
Solheim (who I admire very much by the way)can say anything he wants about how he thinks grooves are pointless on a putter face; the fact is that actual physical tests have proved that grooves do allow the ball to roll from impact quicker than a smooth face. It maybe just a little bit, but it's something.

All research does show that they roll the ball sooner. Solheim and Titliest admit that. However, it is proven to do so in a very controlled enviroment and more importantly, they do so with a de-lofted face. If the tests were done with a Ping putter with a de-lofted face the resuslts would be the same. I assure you, if Ping thought that it would work they would design something that would work. They would not have to pay licenseing fees becuase they have a huge R&D that would design something that would work just as good.

Again the tests that prove them to do so are done in a really controlled that you would never face on the course. Solheim said that the tests that are done to prove the grooves effective would be thrown off as easily as a blade of grass laying in the wrong direction. If the tests were done in real world settings with a putter that has the same loft, ie 4 degrees. The grooves would not do what promised.

I would say having a putter that is fit for you is much much more important that face grooves. Click on the link in my signature, the Edel custom and read about that putter. I am not at liberty so say what company is going to use his system, but when they do; every one in the golfing world is going to hear about it.

Platinum_Shafts · 10-22-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xiphos

All research does show that they roll the ball sooner. Solheim and Titliest admit that. However, it is proven to do so in a very controlled enviroment and more importantly, they do so with a de-lofted face. If the tests were done with a Ping putter with a de-lofted face the resuslts would be the same. I assure you, if Ping thought that it would work they would design something that would work. They would not have to pay licenseing fees becuase they have a huge R&D that would design something that would work just as good.

Again the tests that prove them to do so are done in a really controlled that you would never face on the course. Solheim said that the tests that are done to prove the grooves effective would be thrown off as easily as a blade of grass laying in the wrong direction. If the tests were done in real world settings with a putter that has the same loft, ie 4 degrees. The grooves would not do what promised.

I would say having a putter that is fit for you is much much more important that face grooves. Click on the link in my signature, the Edel custom and read about that putter. I am not at liberty so say what company is going to use his system, but when they do; every one in the golfing world is going to hear about it.

My Yes! Diana putter has a 2.5 degree loft.